From owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Sat Dec 20 16:14:44 1997 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml-list id QAA01993; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:14:44 +0100 (MET) Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml id QAA01987; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:14:42 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199712201514.QAA01987@en1.engelschall.com> Subject: Initial Mailing List Test Posting To: sw-wml Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:14:41 +0100 (MET) From: rse@engelschall.com (Ralf S. Engelschall) Organization: Engelschall, Germany. X-Home: http://www.engelschall.com/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sw-wml@engelschall.com Initial Mailing List Test Posting. Please Ignore. Ralf S. Engelschall rse@engelschall.com www.engelschall.com ______________________________________________________________________ Website META Language (WML) www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ Official Support Mailing List sw-wml@engelschall.com Automated List Manager majordomo@engelschall.com From owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Sat Dec 20 16:22:34 1997 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml-list id QAA02507; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:22:34 +0100 (MET) Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml id QAA02502; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:22:32 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199712201522.QAA02502@en1.engelschall.com> Subject: Second Test Message To: sw-wml Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:22:32 +0100 (MET) From: rse@engelschall.com (Ralf S. Engelschall) Organization: Engelschall, Germany. X-Home: http://www.engelschall.com/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sw-wml@engelschall.com Second Test Message. Ralf S. Engelschall rse@engelschall.com www.engelschall.com ______________________________________________________________________ Website META Language (WML) www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ Official Support Mailing List sw-wml@engelschall.com Automated List Manager majordomo@engelschall.com From owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Sat Dec 20 16:26:01 1997 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml-list id QAA02996; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:26:01 +0100 (MET) Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml@engelschall.com id QAA02987; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:25:59 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199712201525.QAA02987@en1.engelschall.com> Subject: Re: Second Test Message To: sw-wml@engelschall.com Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:25:58 +0100 (MET) From: rse@engelschall.com (Ralf S. Engelschall) Organization: Engelschall, Germany. X-Home: http://www.engelschall.com/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sw-wml@engelschall.com In article <199712201522.QAA02502@en1.engelschall.com> you wrote: > Second Test Message. And a reply to it. Ralf S. Engelschall rse@engelschall.com www.engelschall.com ______________________________________________________________________ Website META Language (WML) www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ Official Support Mailing List sw-wml@engelschall.com Automated List Manager majordomo@engelschall.com From owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Sat Dec 20 16:51:50 1997 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml-list id QAA05023; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:51:50 +0100 (MET) Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml id QAA05017; Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:51:48 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199712201551.QAA05017@en1.engelschall.com> Subject: ANNOUNCE: WML 1.4.7 To: sw-wml Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 16:51:48 +0100 (MET) From: rse@engelschall.com (Ralf S. Engelschall) Organization: Engelschall, Germany. X-Home: http://www.engelschall.com/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sw-wml@engelschall.com Now available: Website META Language, Version 1.4.7 http://www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ Greetings, Ralf S. Engelschall rse@engelschall.com www.engelschall.com ______________________________________________________________________ Website META Language (WML) www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ Official Support Mailing List sw-wml@engelschall.com Automated List Manager majordomo@engelschall.com From owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Mon Dec 22 11:09:06 1997 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml-list id LAA02231; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:09:06 +0100 (MET) Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml id LAA02221; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:09:03 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199712221009.LAA02221@en1.engelschall.com> Subject: Mirror available for the distribution tarballs To: sw-wml Date: Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:09:02 +0100 (MET) From: rse@engelschall.com (Ralf S. Engelschall) Organization: Engelschall, Germany. X-Home: http://www.engelschall.com/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sw-wml@engelschall.com Now the first complete mirror of the FTP area ftp://ftp.engelschall.com/sw/ (which contains the WML stuff in its subdir wml/) is available: ftp://ftp.hyperreal.com/software/engelschall/ This mirror is provided by courtesy of Brian Behlendorf from the Apache Group. The mirror resides on the Hyperreal server (the same machine ftp.apache.org is on ;_) and is connected to the Internet with Organic Online's and Wired's T1 Internet link (1.544 Mb/s), so it provides really better service than ftp.engelschall.com which currently shares its Internet link with the one from sd&m GmbH & Co KG in Munich (only 128 Kb/s). The mirror is under direct control of myself, so will by in sync with ftp.engelschall.com all the time. Don't blame Brian or Organic Online for problems. Contact me instead. BTW: I really need a few more mirror locations, especially in Germany. If someone of you can provide such a service, feel free to establish a mirror now. Contact me for details. Greetings, Ralf S. Engelschall rse@engelschall.com www.engelschall.com ______________________________________________________________________ Website META Language (WML) www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ Official Support Mailing List sw-wml@engelschall.com Automated List Manager majordomo@engelschall.com From owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Tue Dec 23 07:21:04 1997 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml-list id HAA16235; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 07:21:04 +0100 (MET) Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) via UUCP for sw-wml id HAA16231; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 07:21:02 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 20234 invoked from network); 22 Dec 1997 15:13:03 -0000 Received: from world.engelschall.com (192.76.162.15) by vogon.muc.de with SMTP; 22 Dec 1997 15:13:03 -0000 Received: from ee00 (ee00.ethz.ch [129.132.98.179]) by world.engelschall.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01118 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:12:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from foobar.ethz.ch (foobar.ethz.ch [129.132.7.77]) by ee00 (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03796 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:12:07 +0100 (MET) Received: (from zaucker@localhost) by foobar.ethz.ch (8.8.4/8.8.8) id QAA00805; Mon, 22 Dec 1997 16:12:05 +0100 (MET) To: sw-wml@engelschall.com Subject: Re: Mirror available for the distribution tarballs References: <199712221009.LAA02221@en1.engelschall.com> From: Fritz Zaucker Date: 22 Dec 1997 16:12:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: rse@engelschall.com's message of Mon, 22 Dec 1997 11:09:02 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sw-wml@engelschall.com rse@engelschall.com (Ralf S. Engelschall) writes: > BTW: I really need a few more mirror locations, especially in Germany. > If someone of you can provide such a service, feel free to > establish a mirror now. Contact me for details. Ralf, wir koennten Dir einen virtuellen ftp-site machen. Die einzige Bedingung ist, dass der Hostname xxxx.ethz.ch sein muss (ETH Policy). Da Du ja eine eigene Domain hast, kannst Du natuerlich einen entsprechenden DNS Eintrag machen und irgendeinen Namen darauf zeigen lassen. Du koenntest dann einen Account haben, zum Einloggen und Daten aufspielen. Alternativ koennten wir automatisch mirror-en, dazu muessten wir natuerlich bei Dir ftp-Zugang haben. Falls Du das willst, schicke einfach Email an Tobias oetiker@ee.ethz.ch Alternativ koennten wir uns bei SWITCH dafuer stark machen, das Du auf sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch gemirrort wirst. Gruss, Fritz -- Dr. Fritz Zaucker, Head IT Support Group Departement of Electrical Engineering, Federal Institute of Technology ETZ J97, Gloriastrasse 35, 8092 Zurich, Switzerland Tel.: +41-1-632-5241 Fax: +41-1-632-1194 http://www.ee.ethz.ch/~zaucker/ E-mail: zaucker@ee.ethz.ch (see home page for PGP key) ______________________________________________________________________ Website META Language (WML) www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ Official Support Mailing List sw-wml@engelschall.com Automated List Manager majordomo@engelschall.com From owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Tue Dec 23 08:03:58 1997 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml-list id IAA19674; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:03:58 +0100 (MET) Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) id IAA19667; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:03:56 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199712230703.IAA19667@en1.engelschall.com> Subject: Re: Mirror available for the distribution tarballs In-Reply-To: from Fritz Zaucker at "Dec 22, 97 04:12:04 pm" To: sw-wml Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 08:03:56 +0100 (MET) Cc: oetiker@ee.ethz.ch From: rse@engelschall.com (Ralf S. Engelschall) Organization: Engelschall, Germany. X-Home: http://www.engelschall.com/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sw-wml@engelschall.com Hello Fritz Zaucker, in a previous mail you wrote: > > BTW: I really need a few more mirror locations, especially in Germany. > > If someone of you can provide such a service, feel free to > > establish a mirror now. Contact me for details. > wir koennten Dir einen virtuellen ftp-site machen. Die einzige > Bedingung ist, dass der Hostname xxxx.ethz.ch sein muss (ETH > Policy). Da Du ja eine eigene Domain hast, kannst Du natuerlich einen > entsprechenden DNS Eintrag machen und irgendeinen Namen darauf zeigen > lassen. Du koenntest dann einen Account haben, zum Einloggen und Daten > aufspielen. Alternativ koennten wir automatisch mirror-en, dazu > muessten wir natuerlich bei Dir ftp-Zugang haben. > > Falls Du das willst, schicke einfach Email an Tobias oetiker@ee.ethz.ch > > Alternativ koennten wir uns bei SWITCH dafuer stark machen, das Du auf > sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch gemirrort wirst. Ahh, das waere ja prima. Also egal wie wir es machen, am besten waere, wenn es so was wie ftp://ftp2.engelschall.com/sw/ geben wuerde, weil sich das jeder am einfachsten merken kann und jeder fast von selber drauf kommt. Das ftp2 ist simpel, nur ein CNAME in meinem DNS auf xxxx.ethz.ch. Das /sw/ ist schwieriger. Denn wenn es nur ftp.ethz.ch ist, muesstest ihr einen Symlink /sw dort machen, was unschoen ist. Andererseits, wenn ihr eh virtual-hosts aufsetzen koennt, dann ist das trivial. Jedenfalls mit dem WUFTPd. Dann schlage ich vor, machen wir das so. Ihr setzt einfach einen ftp-en.ethz.ch oder so auf als Virtuellen Host, der ein Verzeichnis /sw hat und einen Account "rse", der halt auf dieses Verzeichnis Zugriff hat. Dann kann ich wie ftp.hyperreal.org dort den Mirror selber verwalten und braucht euch um nix mehr zu kuemmern. Selbstverstaendlich bekommt ihr (ETHZ) dafuer ein Dankeschoen, und sei es nur mindestens durch Erwaehnung in einem CREDITS File oder halt besten Support bei WML-Angelegenheiten ;_). Ist ja klar. Auf jeden Fall waere ich euch sehr dankbar fuer so einen Mirror, denn ihr habt sicherlich schon selber gemerkt, dasz www/ftp.engelschall.com mit seinem 128Kbit/s Link ein absoluter Flaschenhals ist. Da ich als Student mit aber so schnell nichts eigenes/besseres leisten kann, bin ich auf Mirrors angewiesen. Ich stehe in eurer Schuld. Ich hoffe ich hoere von euch bzgl. dem ftp-en.ethz.ch.... Gruesse, Ralf S. Engelschall rse@engelschall.com www.engelschall.com PS: Paszt bitte auf, die anderen Subscriber dieser ML sprechen eventuell kein Deutsch. In diesem Posting war es natuerlich egal, aber generell in der ML Englisch schreiben. Sonst wundern sich die anderen, was da los sei... Mich persoenlich koennt ihr natuerlich in Deutsch an'mail'en, klar. ______________________________________________________________________ Website META Language (WML) www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ Official Support Mailing List sw-wml@engelschall.com Automated List Manager majordomo@engelschall.com From owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Tue Dec 23 10:22:45 1997 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml-list id KAA04424; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:22:45 +0100 (MET) Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml id KAA04418; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:22:43 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199712230922.KAA04418@en1.engelschall.com> Subject: Examples: WML Itself To: sw-wml Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:22:43 +0100 (MET) From: rse@engelschall.com (Ralf S. Engelschall) Organization: Engelschall, Germany. X-Home: http://www.engelschall.com/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sw-wml@engelschall.com For those of you who still haven't found the WML->Example->WML-Itself page: http://www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/example/myself.html There I've located hyperlinks to all(!) WML files which theirself form the WML webarea. Use this chance to have a look how the various optical and functional parts of the WML webarea where created by me. Very interesting is the multiple use of the new wml::des::navbar: Once for the graphical main navbar at the left hand side of each page and once for the textual navbar on top of every sub page. Feel free to grab and idea or code snippets from this area... Greetings, Ralf S. Engelschall rse@engelschall.com www.engelschall.com ______________________________________________________________________ Website META Language (WML) www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ Official Support Mailing List sw-wml@engelschall.com Automated List Manager majordomo@engelschall.com From owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Tue Dec 23 14:35:56 1997 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml-list id OAA01221; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:35:56 +0100 (MET) Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml id OAA01215; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:35:54 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199712231335.OAA01215@en1.engelschall.com> Subject: ANNOUNCE: WML 1.4.8 To: sw-wml Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:35:54 +0100 (MET) From: rse@engelschall.com (Ralf S. Engelschall) Organization: Engelschall, Germany. X-Home: http://www.engelschall.com/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sw-wml@engelschall.com Now available: Website META Language, Version 1.4.8 http://www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ Changes between 1.4.7 and 1.4.8: 971221 - added SUPPORT file with info about the new ML sw-wml@engelschall.com 971222 - upgraded from GD-1.14 to GD-1.16 971223 - added a new trick to HTMLstrip: , this tag absorbs itself and all whitespaces. This is a nice feature which is now used in wml::des::typography's container tag to get rid of whitespaces. - enhanced, cleaned up and documented wml::des::typography - upgraded to ePerl 2.2.9 Ralf S. Engelschall rse@engelschall.com www.engelschall.com ______________________________________________________________________ Website META Language (WML) www.engelschall.com/sw/wml/ Official Support Mailing List sw-wml@engelschall.com Automated List Manager majordomo@engelschall.com From owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Tue Dec 23 19:16:29 1997 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) for sw-wml-list id TAA29390; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:16:29 +0100 (MET) Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.8.8) via UUCP for sw-wml id TAA29370; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:16:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 16337 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1997 17:40:10 -0000 Received: from world.engelschall.com (192.76.162.15) by vogon.muc.de with SMTP; 23 Dec 1997 17:40:10 -0000 Received: from plymouth.truespectra.com (truespectra.com [207.81.54.8]) by world.engelschall.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04671 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:39:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from lemans (lan.truespectra.com [207.81.54.29]) by plymouth.truespectra.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA30050 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 1997 12:49:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199712231749.MAA30050@plymouth.truespectra.com> To: sw-wml@engelschall.com Subject: Re: Examples: WML Itself Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 12:39:31 EST From: "Stephen van Egmond" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: BeMail [version 2.0] Sender: owner-sw-wml@engelschall.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sw-wml@engelschall.com I thought I would show off my use of WML a little bit. http://www.truespectra.com/ The front page is a "special case", and all the other ones are built off of a template that looks like this: #use wml::usr::ts